tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post8167060309934088272..comments2024-02-05T21:11:17.274-07:00Comments on the gab blog: Just for the Record...Jakehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01290994546386816813noreply@blogger.comBlogger102125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-59558413803131652422008-04-13T19:02:00.000-07:002008-04-13T19:02:00.000-07:00Wow, thanks everyone. Interesting discussion. Ho...Wow, thanks everyone. Interesting discussion. Hope no one is too offended by the post. It has the approval of my family, my parents and my bishop...so I feel ok about it.<BR/><BR/>I just hoped in a gently humorous way to point out that common media links between modern Mormon and Fundamentalist lifestyles are erroneous.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for all your comments...but now that I've topped 100, I'm closing shop.Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01290994546386816813noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-60434815585861699982008-04-13T18:46:00.000-07:002008-04-13T18:46:00.000-07:00Thank you, thank you, thank you ... sarah k. I wa...Thank you, thank you, thank you ... sarah k. I was sitting here shaking my head reading the comments until I came to yours. Well said. I'm just wondering ... would folks here be poking fun at how their LDS ancestors dressed? You can criticize the FLDS all you want, but their religious beliefs go back to the "man who communed with Jehovah."Kalolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04489121984901640634noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-73952322769114586152008-04-13T18:03:00.000-07:002008-04-13T18:03:00.000-07:00Wow! Thanks for saying all of that! It's nice to h...Wow! Thanks for saying all of that! It's nice to hear someone finally say it in a way others will understand!jsmbbakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16182226438939226715noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-81514020081442788312008-04-13T17:44:00.000-07:002008-04-13T17:44:00.000-07:00WOW! I just happened upon your blog and I loved y...WOW! I just happened upon your blog and I loved your post! You are very good with words and I appreciate you setting the record straight. I linked my blog to you, hope you don't mind. I just love the things you say and the way you express them. They uplift me!Tinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10227725114754406759noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-49866479391226415872008-04-13T17:10:00.000-07:002008-04-13T17:10:00.000-07:00I don't suggest in ANY way that the church is curr...I don't suggest in ANY way that the church is currently associated with polygamy, that it condones it, or that I, myself do condone it. I'm fully agreed with you there. I just believe that since our church WAS ONCE associated with it, did indeed practice it, and claimed it as a revelation from God, we should not be pointing fingers. We don't do it now, and for that I'm glad. <BR/><BR/>But there's more to the story than their practice of polygamy. Their families have been torn apart, they have been taken from their homes. Some of them have been put in jail. They are suffering as human beings. Many of our ancestors faced this same situation.sarah k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18443012372866539495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-5557469889331055832008-04-13T16:56:00.000-07:002008-04-13T16:56:00.000-07:00I am sorry to hijack this, but I don't feel like w...I am sorry to hijack this, but I don't feel like we can leave the misconception that our Church will be affiliated with these practices or that these statements are true.<BR/><BR/>From President Hinckley in 1998:<BR/>“I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course, has no jurisdiction whatever in this matter.<BR/><BR/>"If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12). One cannot obey the law and disobey the law at the same time.<BR/><BR/>"There is no such thing as a 'Mormon Fundamentalist.' It is a contradiction to use the two words together." <BR/><BR/><BR/>On the issue of statehood and anything else relating to the previous practices of polygamy, you are relating apples to oranges and some of your statements are misguided. See the following websites and focus on the links to "discontinuation of polygamy"<BR/>http://www.mormon-polygamy.org/<BR/><BR/>I'll love the sinner, but I will not love the sin.Anderson Zoo Keepershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02523619811073938066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-26728520610094971442008-04-13T16:08:00.000-07:002008-04-13T16:08:00.000-07:00Hi, I am sorry I came across as so antagonistic. I...Hi, I am sorry I came across as so antagonistic. I have wept over this post for a couple of hours now. I came back and looked at the photo of the man with the handcuffs, and he appears so bewildered and scared. I'm sure he also didn't participate in gambling, drinking and smoking, etc. He also believed Joseph Smith was a prophet.<BR/><BR/>As to some of your points, Zoo Keeper, the LDS church surely did participate in polygamy while it was illegal. Polygamous marriages were performed even 10 years after the proclamation. It was not unusual for a woman (girl) to marry as young as 14 or 15.<BR/><BR/>The D&C may explain to you the <I>process</I> of deciding to end the practice of polygamy, but the <I>reason</I> for the end was statehood. The Republicans hated the Mormons and held polygamy as the proof they were so evil and didn't deserve to be a state. It's not hard to read up on the history there. There were court cases that are transcribed, that you can access at such reputable places as the BYU library. <BR/><BR/>And there used to be beds in the temples. This is not something that needs to be inflammatory. Some of the temples had a sort of bed and breakfast thing going on. The fact of a bed in the temple doesn't prove any crime. <BR/><BR/>Also, it does appear to me that many people thought this post was funny, not just a pointing out of differences. Even so, intolerance is all about pointing out differences. And all these differences are things our people have been associated with in the past.<BR/><BR/>Our church teaches us to love our neighbor, and I believe these people are our neighbors.sarah k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18443012372866539495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-2083543154953544902008-04-13T15:46:00.000-07:002008-04-13T15:46:00.000-07:00love it. i got your link from Ilene's blog. do y...love it. i got your link from Ilene's blog. do you mind if I give you a shout out on my family website? I think this post is awesome.Lorihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08422497728521679173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-43129619149684857072008-04-13T13:46:00.000-07:002008-04-13T13:46:00.000-07:00In response to Sarah K., there is no "poking fun" ...In response to Sarah K., there is no "poking fun" here - there is a pointing out of differences. We don't encourage marrying our girls out at 14 to relatives, we don't have beds in our temples, we don't have multiple wives. PERIOD.<BR/>Many of the activities these people engage in are illegal. They cannot hide under a freedom of religion for there are illegal activities occuring here - including child abuse. I want to separate myself from them as far as possible.<BR/>As far as whether my religion stopped polygamy because they wanted to become a state - my belief is that it ceased because of modern revelation. I think the D&C backs me up on that.Anderson Zoo Keepershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02523619811073938066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-88038675739802815592008-04-13T09:51:00.000-07:002008-04-13T09:51:00.000-07:00This seems a little bit intolerant to me. Poking f...This seems a little bit intolerant to me. Poking fun at people manner of dress, when they were raised that way and have had no reason to question their parents seems childish. I'm saddened by the general attitude of the comments that suggests those who wrote them feel superior to the victimized women and children in another church (who worship how, where, and what they may, according to the dictates of their own conscience). <BR/><BR/>These people, our brothers and sisters, have had a different experience that we have, and they are not evil. They are trying to do what they think God wants them to, in exactly the same way the early Mormons did, also with young girls. The church didn't stop polygamy because they thought it was yucky. They stopped it to become a state. <BR/><BR/>We need to be the first ones to extend our hands and hearts and give love to people who have done things we don't agree with.sarah k.https://www.blogger.com/profile/18443012372866539495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-24923809886523092702008-04-13T09:39:00.000-07:002008-04-13T09:39:00.000-07:00Inspired! Genius! Bravo!Inspired! Genius! Bravo!Chandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16920542936521911469noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-2743799896369228742008-04-13T09:15:00.000-07:002008-04-13T09:15:00.000-07:00THANK YOU! You don't know how many people I've ha...THANK YOU! You don't know how many people I've had to explain this simple concept to over the last week or so. Gee whiz! FLDS, LDS, NOT THE SAME! So beautifully written! Appreciate your insight!Ashleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15971121224209470982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-40519946964759718162008-04-13T09:11:00.000-07:002008-04-13T09:11:00.000-07:00Add my name to the list of fans - this is so wonde...Add my name to the list of fans - this is so wonderfully told, THANKYOU!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-43834127817874608312008-04-13T07:49:00.000-07:002008-04-13T07:49:00.000-07:00I am not a LDS, but I read so many wonderful blogs...I am not a LDS, but I read so many wonderful blogs from great ladies who are...I really loved this post.Marlahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17252526308393667516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-87288973467780808512008-04-13T07:46:00.000-07:002008-04-13T07:46:00.000-07:00Great post! Straight to the point.Great post! Straight to the point.Cody Reesehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02301539656184177726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-60933959761814829902008-04-13T01:52:00.000-07:002008-04-13T01:52:00.000-07:00Hi there! Aren't you clever!! One thing I do nee...Hi there! Aren't you clever!! One thing I do need to question though is the comments on Marie's hair.......it is so truely outdated and screams for moisture! She looks so painfully plastic with tragic straw locks. Oh dear.......<BR/>I love how what you say is simple and to the point! Well done!<BR/>from Australian Mormon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-6086512394127980802008-04-12T23:49:00.000-07:002008-04-12T23:49:00.000-07:00THis is AWESOME! Well put. Now can we have THIS ai...THis is AWESOME! Well put. Now can we have THIS air on CNN? Seriously, I live in Europe and it's on the front cover of all the free newspapers. The fact that the FLDS church had LDS in it is a disgrace to mormons.jessicalangpricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07796274294680240857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-32209158800549686882008-04-12T23:42:00.000-07:002008-04-12T23:42:00.000-07:00Brilliant!Brilliant!Carinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13859567470814286102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-25374022713017649112008-04-12T19:57:00.000-07:002008-04-12T19:57:00.000-07:00I came over from Holly's blog... Very well put! (...I came over from Holly's blog... Very well put! (And WOW! 83 comments?!)chrissyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07714723008889142913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-31407471413190612832008-04-12T19:54:00.000-07:002008-04-12T19:54:00.000-07:00Awesome, fabulous, perfect! I hate hate hate that ...Awesome, fabulous, perfect! <BR/>I hate hate hate that the the FLDS have LDS in their title still. WHY!!?? They are so far from the LDS faith and it sucks that we have to take the wrath for it.<BR/>Anyways...thanks. Great post!Jillhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14580529786503531440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-908513739294031792008-04-12T19:14:00.000-07:002008-04-12T19:14:00.000-07:00What an awesome post!!! I hoped over here from We...What an awesome post!!! I hoped over here from Wendi's blog.(dancin' queen) Thanks for making that so abundantly clear for all. Very clever girl you are!Wendihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09246980489171414678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-25065927386791446532008-04-12T18:17:00.000-07:002008-04-12T18:17:00.000-07:00Bridget sent me over to check out your post. It's ...Bridget sent me over to check out your post. It's awesome. I love it and you did a fantastic job.Darilynhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02967158407019309434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-86997041225438956362008-04-12T17:23:00.000-07:002008-04-12T17:23:00.000-07:00You deserve every one of your now 80 comments, way...You deserve every one of your now 80 comments, way to go!Adriannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03224896387524762548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-83689852923106003542008-04-12T16:30:00.000-07:002008-04-12T16:30:00.000-07:00You are offically the blog rock star. Buy yoursel...You are offically the blog rock star. Buy yourself a tiara for BPA. You will need it!Christiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05769700320834756050noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2094659862503879931.post-22109947925218286632008-04-12T13:18:00.000-07:002008-04-12T13:18:00.000-07:00yea!!! thank you!yea!!! thank you!Amyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00813377746895760558noreply@blogger.com